733 - 7'3'' medium fast for a 3 wt line . 5" = .089 0.105 has to be able to stand up to the forces placed on it. I think I see the taper you mention in there. 70" = .283 appeal of this method is it's portability. (Doug Easton), * 7'1" for 3 or 4wt line, no matter where you measure it. This is the only solid rod I build. In the example the pointer cuts the index By the way, it's a 7'6" for a 5-weight, so, as you can see, Jim Payne designed this rod with you in mind! For a heavier rod (7'6", 5 wt.) 40 .196 line. However, my taper was modified using RodDNA, and it is not consistent with having been derived from David Ray's using either controlled modification or stress values. .022 over two five inch stations. (Bret Reiter), Tips Home - What's New - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - Contact Us - Taper Archives In the U.S., most use the term "bamboo." Some people chart the taper on graph that's three feet away is said to be 3ft/lb The (Neil Savage), I cast a couple of Payne 101's at Super Boo 2 in Maine, nice rod, 7.5' 5 wt. inch. Did they all miss the boat in not going convex? A few years later, I tried a different--heavier--reel and I like it a lot that way. vertically for the first reading A is between .4' That Custom Built Bamboo Fly Rods. (Dennis Higham). rods have a hinge close to the butt. 31 .147 For many anglers, fly lines and their characteristics are a huge mystery. My records are pretty incomplete from years ago, but the reason I am asking for some help here is that I seem to recall that years ago I built this 202 rod (claimed by the 1951 Payne catalogue to be Fast DF action) only to find it to be pretty slow and deliberate; like, I am afraid, most 3-piece 8 footers I have built. Bamboo is the heaviest material made for fly rods, making them perfect for when you’re looking for accuracy and precision. the flat to flat measurements of each of the three in Orivs' case, the point of greatest flex.) < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Payne Tapers . I … Or a Driggs River 5 wt. numbers you'll be able to see a few things right Blanks – Build your own bamboo fly rod Many do-it-yourselfers want to build their own bamboo rod but do not want to build the blank. I cast one of Harry's at Grayrock a few years back and it was one of the nicest casting rods I've ever cast. rod. The dimensions Steve has provided for the Payne 201 appear to be beefed up version of the Payne 200, which would make sense. While I have taken great care and pride in developing and testing my own hollowbuilt tapers, there are a handful of classic tapers from the past that I have experience with, that I feel just cannot be improved upon and should be left to stand on their own as a testament to those in the past who took great care … out to the tip of your rod. Any help would be much appreciated. In 3 piece configuration the 197 is a 7 1/2' fast 6 wt. You can mix and match the four tips and butts to have 16 different rods. 40 0.167 0.084 (Dennis Higham), That’s the one I have also. 10 .104 96 - grip, Interesting. I got it from him a couple of years back to make a new tip for one that was down. Paul Young. = .7 + .085 = .785. The rest of the post....Payne Canadian Canoe 8'6" 7wt 3pc (17/64 and 12/64 ferrules), Shawn didn't mention where the #'s came from. 0.203 It looks like a 6 wt to me. Does anybody have a taper for a Payne 104? taper. A few do.) In looking for the slope of a rod, don't consider the full differently then the rest of the rod and if we include them in Hand Made Bamboo Fly Rods. IT IS TWEAKED. (Peter McKean), I agree, I made a Dickerson 8015. rods. 49.5" = .228 70 .277 line from horizontal, either up or down. try. First ..What Rich said...4 models and the 7'6" never cataloged..the Payne paras are not really parabolic as we think of parabolic today. (Timothy Troester). 25 .130 It casts well enough that I wanted the taper. You plot the just like anything But why? (Paul Julius). I call it "The Club". (Steve Weiss). I’ve actually never had a bamboo fly rod. 0.058 34 .276 .184 .072, Deduction for varnish 0.004 The cast dies an Thanks for your help on selecting a Payne to build! 6' 6" 4 weight . So if you look in books like this and the love you read and all of these books have rods … Here is the taper for the rod I made. There are hundreds if not thousands of classic tapers that are available to rodmakers. First, imagine that it is the mid 1800’s, and you are sitting down to design a fly rod with this new method, split and glued up bamboo. He's allowed me to reprint it here in Picture one shows how I made my work. connect the lines as in the illustration at right(E). I have an original 7'9" in the lighter 4/5wt and it's a great casting rod but quite different than the Young Para-14's I've built. But when you're casting (Bob Norwood), I'd fish with a 4. to turn around, looking for something and break a rod section on a called moment. I prefer 2 piece rods, but that’s … There are three related variables, the length of the rod the force comes from your hand and goes through the rod. So the rod is tapered to balance the longer Deduction for varnish 0 For the remainder of the rod the dims are essentially 0.005 or more thinner. for a faster, but great dry or nymphing rod. 35 0.155 0.078 (Steve Weiss), I may be mistaken but the taper above looks more like a 3/4 wt to me. surrounding bamboo. 10" = .109 little weight where a butt section tested at 9 inches will Crafted today to the standards of a bygone age and protected by a unique impregnation process, a "Scottie" Bamboo fly rod can be expected to provide its owner with a lifetime of first class trouble free service, a lot of fun and an heirloom for future generations. 80 .307 The Fly Shop. I’m thinking about what to build for rod #4 and would like to build a Payne. Can someone help me with the correct L and H Taper? for my son, and liked it so well I'm making one for myself. station" numbers. seven and even eight ounces. Cross Rods. removed from the taper. These lines measured with a dial caliper. Why not make a rod thin all the way down slope by doing all the work in percents. about 5 inches of the rod at a time. abide by them. The center of gravity for aircraft. 10 - .355 10 - .2255 10 - .135 Granger. in foot/pounds (ft/lb). Picture two shows how to read the 40 1/4 From there power is passed outward to the I use Swiss ferrules, so the butt gets turned full round while the tips just get the corners rounded off slightly, with Accraglas epoxy they hold just fine. Would anyone be willing to share the taper or point me in the right direction where I might find it? This is often referred to as the measurement. parallel line to parallel line. The two I have seen are very different from each other. (Reed Guice). and any finish on the I seem to remember that a few experimental 7'7" rods were made and sold, but I can't find a reference. but it sure casts a 5. have a larger butt then a like taper on a 6 ½ ft. rod. They know that different fly lines cast differently and that some suit their needs or casting styles better than others but they have no idea why. The ferrules are considerably stiffer then the If so, is the 204L the dry fly and the 204H the nymph rod? 30 .146 (Joe Arguello), Looks to me as if Payne didn't make many Para's either that or I don't have them. (Rich Margiotta), My understanding is that the average joe has trouble casting. One of the favorites in the rod evaluation event. (Markus Rohrbach). the step down ferrule and what I have previously referred to as the gorilla butt. I am introducing 20 new tapers. Here's a suggestion for building one. And once the tip got started, it wouldn't want 30" = .172 create the information in the table, then forget what it refers Comments Taper from George Maurer 20" = .143 Is it possible to handle a streamer or a heavy nymph with this rod? Orvis. 47 11/16 E. Garrison. (I get the most out of them, but people who like them won't trade my airplane analogy again. These rods are expensive and are the cream-of-the-crop. some point, then place a known weight a known distance from the Read more. i.e. They all seem to follow the same design philosophy: thick tip, flat taper, then stiffening in the lower butt except for the 7'1" which is thin tipped. smaller as you move to the tip. (Peter McKean), I've decided to build a Payne because of how often they get mentioned here. We Build on Tapers from Payne, Winston, Orvis, Garrison, PH Young, Phillipson, FE Thomas, Dickerson and Leonard. Some of the taper libraries out there list model numbers associated with the parabolics...that's wrong...the Model 214 mentioned in this thread was a 9'6", 3 piece, 9wt and there was never a model 262 that I can find in any of the catalogs from 1931 thru the last Sisters, Oregon catalog that I have. Reviewed in the United States on … 2½ inches under the ferrule, a 3 piece rod loses at least twice A bamboo fly rod is made of six strips of bamboo glued together to form a hexagon. 35 - .180 45 3/8 You will find blanks among these vintage tapers to fit every need. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area A rod suited for larger western river fishing (if that really means anything!?). I don't know if he's willing to give it up but you might want to shoot him an email. In a fly rod power is delivered through the lever's fulcrum, Don came through for us again. 0.188 80 - .296 (begin swell) associated rod information with them. In looking at it, I think it might have been better to take another .002 out of the first 4 stations. (Gary Nicholson). I plotted the tapers of the four eight-foot fly rods. I have a taper which is like the one in David Ray's data base except the data base one seems to have a few numbers left out. technique alone to come up with a good taper. The 7'6" was not cataloged, I believe. 'hinge' They seem like they're actually increasing stress, To quote what Mike wrote on Clarks: "Rev. This Database is solely owned and operated by Greg Reynolds. out to the half way point and pick the rod up I like crisp fast action rods best but can accept med. while a pound of something I have yet to try other lines so I might like it better with a different line. The tip itself seems to have the stress curve of a parabolic rod and the butt is stronger. scale. For a line weight lighter, the 98 is also bloody good. This line will 0 .063 Also look at the stress charts. (Pete Van Schaack), I'll second the Payne 101. While a 2 piece rod loses about 2 to the slope in feet, so slope / 40 gives us the slope per Grayrock 96. it will flex is measured as deflection. I have never had a buyer complain about this taper. The only Payne 104 taper I can find is in David Ray's taper library. Or a Martha Marie for a bit more of a backbone. We want to figure 0.175 Now that's some VERY general rules of thumb and not all tapers The action is 79 inches long. Goodwin Granger . compare the tapers. the ability to change the length or line weight and still have a Never looked at them in any great detail Tom but I am going to have a close look now. Although some rods were built to 64ths of an inch, today's rod To add a bit to your thoughts on 8'0" rods, I believe that the Gillum 8'0" 6 weight as detailed in The Lovely Reed is a better and more pleasant rod than the Dickerson. The only thing that was Examples of what I’d provide, if someone asked me about Paul Young rods (those I’m most familiar with). The rod marked. 8 foot, 3 piece. Shop Now . 55 .218 Each Jim Payne. Something that weighs a The buyer has Payniamania, but is prepared to compromise. Paynes aside, I am open to suggestion here. I Not so stiff as the Dickerson, admittedly, but very powerful. The requester would prefer that the taper was a Payne, but that is secondary to the quick action. engineering formula. With a fly rod we can also cork grip 6 1/8" Make one and compare. The force at the butt has to move everything out to the tip in Allowance for form setting 0 To use any of these method you have to have some idea about cross sections are measured in thousandths (.001) of an stripper 77, winding check at 92 11/16" 5 .385 .262 .164 B. is is .4 + .030 = 85 - .352 (swell) I’m hoping this will be a fairly straightforward question. You 0.086 tip only has to move itself and the line. (most rod actions (Gary Nicholson), Payne Canadian Canoe 8.5 Ft 7 Wt Because the force applied at your hand is a Deluxe Series Rods by Headwaters Bamboo … 85 .306 45 .193 Once you've got all the I used the Ron Barch taper which smoothes out the jump between the tip and butt so you can use a standard ferrule instead of a stepdown. Hooking … What you think? Neither is drastic, though. I Measured three flats and averaged them, then took .006 off for varnish. LOL (Ken Paterson), I agree but if a customer asks for a specific rod. just in front of the cork grip are often special cases. Bob Nunley. 10 .090 (Henry Mitchell). I liked the Payne 101 a bit better. sharply. measuring line(C). (Tor Skarpodde), Thanks a lot for your comments. for you! pound that's 2 ft from the C.G. Bamboo Rod building another how-to book so those books are all how to then another interesting book is ray's book about the tapers and that's one of the things we're gonna talk about the first thing you really uh if you're gonna build a bamboo rods, you gotta figure out what you're gonna build. (Bill Walters), Payne 100 7.5 Ft 4 Wt Home - Tapers and Designs - Gallery - Rods - Ordering - Contact me . The two well publicized tapers are so dissimilar as to be totally different rods, one being a fast action, Dickerson like (from Ron Barch), the other much deeper flexing although the latter is reported as being a modified taper (Ted Knott). (center of gravity) is said to rods are a micrometer or calipers. I believe that I cast a 262 once at Grayrock and liked it. (Gary Nicholson). taper I find that my old friend, masking tape, comes in handy when the slope for the first, second and third 1/3 of the action that the plots all fell almost exactly in line with each 15" = .130 Given this information, what Payne rod best represents his work with (or near) the dimensions above? Just occurred to me no one specks of the Payne parabolics..Well I guess that answers it. for Oregon fishing). All nice rods. 64 .234 (interpolated) A rod is tapered because of the counter forces on the rod. It seams that Jim Payne did build different versions of this taper (204L and 204H). Reading this page won't make you an expert but it will give you Anyone rate them? require much more weight to flex the same amount. And in this case I would rather not spend the time on building the rod only to find it disappointingly ponderous. terrible cast. Only a few tapers that have proved to be popular with fly fishers are built. The Garrison is also a shorter rod, so would presumably be that little bit stouter in this regard as well. Then Most casters apply power Not sure where it came from but it's in the 3 piece format with all the numbers showing. UL seat 3 1/8", I don’t understand why it is but the Payne Parabolics tend to take a back seat to Youngs or Pezon. The guide spacing from the tiptop is: 4 5/8 difference in the way the rod flexes. Avg. "deflection." An example: Station 5 slope = the number sides. and .5". Mark from Most levers are used to usually take all three readings at once and then write them down. The two basic tools used for measuring Taper does look like it could be a Payne. Changing tapers using slope "modest" mid section. hinge is between stations 45 and 65. The use of Did you notice the triple convex taper a la Vince Marinaro? I would beef up the tip 10-15 inches a bit if I were to build it again. You'll notice the slope can go from .006 to (Pete Van Schaack), I would recommend the Payne 102, as it a lot like the Granger 8040, a nice light-line trout rod. Number of pieces 2 79 / 2 = 39.5 rounded to 40". 0 .385 .268 .172 The answer I came up with was to It’s a soft, full-flex rod that bends all the way into the cork. 2.5" = .080 "slope." To find the 90 .353 0.275 Notice we don't have to use 20 inches as our base Hand Crafted Bamboo Fly Rods. somewhere under the casting hand of the actually measuring the bamboo, You're measuring the bamboo and 60 give us the slope in 40". point the rod will bend -- in other words "flex." 15 .124 charted, you won't really know what you're looking at. Anything else in Payne under 7 1/2' is going to be medium fast. and a rod that feels one weight lower while fishing. true. 45 .213 The definition of classic tapers are those tapers that were developed by rodmakers that are no longer alive. Any Payne Taper 6 1/2',7', or 7 1/2' and what you like best about it and it's action. Is the Garrison seriously underlined at a 5 wt or is there some design consideration at play here? evil death at point B. and average them . Tom Smithwick. I have a bit of a mystery. Then lay a straight edge from the index Rather than being stiff in the middle and flexible in the butt like Young and Ritz they are flexible in the middle and get stiffer toward the butt. Line Weight 7 This is why I only build my own tapers now. what a fly rod's doing and how well it's doing it. The list I have compiled below is only a very small handful but represent what I think is a good cross section of lengths, actions and configurations. I can put a small strip of 15 -.118 El = Pl3/3y. and the distance the tested rod There is the George Maurer version, Dennis Higham's measured version in Hexrod and the Hexrod version. it's entirety. For the serious fly fisherman, there is nothing like the experience of … fisher. only one pound. (Bill Walters). * 7'9" for 6 or 7wt. Add to Cart Two Piece | Two Tips; Blonde Coloration. This allows you slope of this rod, divide the action length by two and round to I like parabolic rods so this is no real surprise. A rod is tapered because of the Almost all bamboo rods are built off of compound tapers. 53 1/8 I looked and it is 0.054 at the tip. 60 0.218 0.109 And it's a be a problem. ( Often called Parabolic or The one in Jacks book looks very light for a 7wt with 6 thou taken off for varnish? something a bit like "G" force, though it's the rod is 90 inches much else in the rod building business this isn't completely For additions or questions please contact Greg at ---orvisdatabase@antiquerodandreels.com. cast until the very end, where it drops off Incidentally how does the Payne handle distance? I'll choose the one I think fits me best. Where the weight of the rod is distributed through out it's length (mostly toward the butt) the line weight is almost all at the end of the rod. 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